I tried sizing the patched bullets, tore the paper. Reloading how to load ammunition for the 4050 sharps. I use paper patch bullets with my hog hunting rifle. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles.
Until someone demonstrates and documents paper patch barrel wear with real data the world will never know. I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of these guys here will kick in some help. Where is a good place to get the mold and paper that i will need. The paper patch bullet is a lot more like regular lead soft the bullet maker stated it will flatten out like a half dollar when it starts to travel into the animal etc.
I could go on with many more famous hunters that preferred paper patch bullets. Its funny there is only 1 view on this post, since ive only seen a handful of references for paper patched bullets in this cartridge, but i guess there probably isnt that much interest in this old reloading art so oh well. It is a 2 page artice on page 108109 titled paper patched bullets work in. Paper patched bullets, swaged vs cast shiloh rifle forums. Using paper patched bullets is not something most reloaders have done, watch along as larry potterfield, founder and ceo of midwayusa shows how to cast bullets designed for paper patching, then demonstrates how to apply the thin cotton paper jacket. When the paper dries it shrinks tight to the bullet.
Ive shot chase patches in my muzzle loaders and my 4050 ballard. In fact paper patched shooters have been winning the creedmoor matches at lodi, wisconsin on a regular basis since 2010, often taking two of the top three places. Paper patched bullets are an important part of our rich and diverse firearms history, providing a way of preventing leading, while driving generally a soft lead. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. I also did some hunting rifle paper patching very successfully with my 358 win see other 35 cal thread. Patched bullet have a lower friction and thus a reduced pressure, allowing a little more powder before reaching maximum pressure. Well this is my channel and these are my impressions about shooting old and repro blackpowder and cartridge guns. I size the bullets so that when patched the bullet is a snug fit in the throat. The current resurgence of singleshot and blackpowder rifles creates a need for uptodate and accurate information about paper patched bullets. We go over a few more basics in our paper patching discussion. Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques.
Paper patch bullet question my question has to do with powder choices. Grease groove bullets have been the most accurate type so far. This last pic is of a 100yd five shot group from a 224 cal rifle. I have a 3 groove bullet that i would be using this on. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. This means you need to carefully measure the bore of your rifle and then have a custom mold made by one of the many mold makers. Cast bullets require a longer bearing surface than jacketed bullets to maintain an equivalent alignment with the bore of the firearm. A beginners guide for learning to load and shoot paper patched bullets by randolph s. I couldnt even find some of the bullet holes in the 30x48 cardboard backer.
Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Jan 14, 2015 we go over a few more basics in our paper patching discussion. And i use a tapered bullet that i find not as accurate as the straight wall bullet that measures patched. My hunting loads using swaged paper patch bullets are as follows. This video will show the basic 2 wrap patch boolit. Reloading 50 rounds of 45 acp on a single stage press duration. Up next reloading 577450 paper patched martinihenry round duration. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110 by tom ball. This book presents todays most thorough, fully illustrated source of information for those who enjoy a taste of the past. Nov 21, 2005 it is as accurate as the day it came home from the shop. Years ago i did some of that paper patching for a 3006 spfld according to the harris developments. The most authoritative work on paper patched bullets. Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold.
If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. The paper patch is moistened slightly with water to make it more pliable and slightly sticky. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons.
Chase patches have been more accurate than wrapped paper patched bullets for me. Killing effects of paper patched bullets in 4570 and 45. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. Shooting a paper patched bullet in your inline muzzleloader, using blackhorn 209 powder behind it, opens up a whole new way to shoot your rifle. I lube the inside of the case neck with a qtip dipped in bore butter, i havent torn a patch seating the bullets since. Is gas erosion worse than paper patch frictional wear. Looking at it with a bore scope, it is shiny and smooth, but does not show any wear or firecracking at all. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets.
Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. Hey guys, this might be a really dumb question, but can i paper patch a 147gr fmjbt. Provides techniques in use during the 1870s and 1880s with accommodation for some 20th century technology where appropriate. Pretty much any chamber will shoot paper patched bullets. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. In case you didnt know paper patched bullets allow you to shoot lead projectiles close to the speed of a jacketed bullet. Theres not a whole lot of folks shooting paper patched bullets so its difficult to compare notes with someone else. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and. There is one fellow who shoots yds with his black powser 45 cal rifle and puts them all in the the black.
I wet the paper with water, roll them, then let dry. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. That acts to twist the paper patch tighter rather than try to strip it from the bullet. Paper patched bullets have no lube grooves like a conventional lead bullet.
Those bullets didnt shoot well and i gave up on bore size bullets. I cant tell you how many bullets it has fired, but i can say that all but 5 of them, exactly 5, have been paper patched. Lube grooved bullet on left paper patched without the paper on the right. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. The patch is carefully wrapped around the bearing surface of the bullet. I also bring the paper up the nose so that the paper is in the throat. I patch several different grooved bullets for use with smokeless powder. Note that a lot of folks make a lot of todo about paper wearing out the edges of the rifling. I got some groups around 12 inch with low velocity cast,gas check bullets,but my ppbs were around 1 and 12 inch. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. Back in the days of the buffalo hunters and the civil war, most folks used paper patched bullets in their rifles.
Mar 22, 2015 ive started a journey to the world of paper patched cast bullet shooting. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. Manual for step by step procedure to reload target quality ammunition using paper patched bullets. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets.
The most successful cast bullet designs have a round or flattened nose rather than a long, unsupported ogive. Routinely slugged your barrel and recording the measurements after every 500 shots may be a good place to start. Test results prove cast bullets can approach 3000f. Using black powder is now big deal, i have it, know how to use it, and know it works fine with paper patched bullets, but can i use smokeless powder with paper patched bullets as well. Heavy sprue cutter plate precision ground both sides. And even paper patched some bullets for my 375 hh improved to shoot deer with. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Im not sure if either of these ideas would survive being loaded in a semiauto. Jun 12, 2009 this feature is not available right now. Harrison and the staff at the american rifleman worked with paperpatched bullets in the. Has anyone won a bpcr competition using paper patch bullets.
Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. Brent danielson has won the long range match there a number of times with paper patched. Havent tried paper patched muzzle loading bullets, other than a cross patch in a friends bench gun. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. A pp bullet simply has straight sides and theread more. Never tried breech seating chase patches in the ballard because the throat is not tapered. It is a myth that paper patch bullets need to be pure lead. For the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. You can also watch as the paper patch comes off the bullet between the muzzle at 00. Dont get me wrong, grease grooved bullets were used too, but the majority of hunters during the 1870s and 80s preferred paper patch ammo in their sharps, rolling blocks and ballards. Is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals. Its possible to push a patched bullet faster than a jacketed bullet given the same weight and cartridge. Mould blocks are made from durabar 654512 extruded fine grain ductile iron.
As for bore wear from paper, i have been shooting paper patch bullets exclusively in my 375 taylor rifle now for around 3 years. Three hardened dowel pins provide positive alignment in both vertical and horizontal planes. I just ordered a of those postell bullets from a company out west. I prefer to use bullets with the gas check shank but no check. Mar 06, 2014 autoplay when autoplay is enabled, a suggested video will automatically play next. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. How do you determin which is the correct diameter for the bullet to be before paper patching.
One of the issues involved with paper patching is the bullet needs to fit the bore nearly perfectly for best results. I lube them with the lube i make for grooved bullets, although many types will work. Ive been shooting paper patch bullets for a long time and find that milk cartons make good wad material and spg lube wad of about. My 21year old son eric and i drew cow elk tags as our second choice in our favorite hunt unit in the bighorn basin of wyoming. Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer fit, tailored to a particular firearm. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. Mass produced bullet molds are designed with very conservative, minimal dimensions north of the crimp groove, so that they will chamber in the great variety of firearms out there.
My paper patch hunting and long range paper patch loads for reference only. This catalog is a record of molds ive made, and posted for reference. Some a bit better than others, but most factory chambered rifles can shoot paper patches quite well. Paper patching actually wears a bore less than jacketed bullets. The lip of paper extending past the base of the bullet is then twisted together, and may be pushed into a depression cast into the base of the bullet. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Good morning, first off, i wouldnt recommend paper patch at all unless you can get with one of these guys here that have figured it all out to help you. I felt that it was the perfect size combination for bore size paper patch bullets.
Sep 11, 2016 for the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. Yesteray,i finally got to the range to start developement of a paper patched bullet load for whitetails. Hello, i bought a nice 1953 savage 99r last october,and will dedicate it to cast bullets only. In fact i may be the only one in the world shooting paper patched bullets from a. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. You can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00.
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